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Live blog: Can Arias' defense discredit expert?

  • HLN is covering the Jodi Arias trial live gavel-to-gavel
  • Arias is accused of killing Travis Alexander, but she says she did it in self-defense
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Live blog: Can Arias' defense discredit expert?

'Borderline personality disorder' for Arias?

'Borderline personality disorder' for Arias?

When court is done for the day, the conversation is only just beginning. Watch HLN’s newest hit show "HLN After Dark: The Jodi Arias Trial" nightly at 10 p.m. on HLN.

Judge Sherry Stephens dismissed court Wednesday for an unknown reason a little after 5:30 p.m. ET Wednesday. Sources tell In Session's Jean Casarez that Arias suffered a migraine in court. 

During the morning session, defense attorney Jennifer Willmott and psychologist Janeen DeMarte spared over her qualifications and why DeMarte diagnosed Arias with a personality disorder. Defense experts diagnosed Arias with post-traumatic stress disorder and said she was a victim of domestic abuse.

Wilmott asked, "You don’t consider yourself an expert in domestic violence, do you?"

"I’m an expert as a clinical psychologist," said DeMarte.

Wilmott asked, "Well, clinical psychology is kind of a big general area, isn’t it?"

"Correct," said DeMarte.

Willmott said, "Okay, so you’re an expert in clinical psychology?"

"Yes," said DeMarte.

Willmott asked, "Okay, so, but you don’t consider yourself an expert in domestic violence, do you?"

"I’ve had a lot of experience in domestic violence and working with people in domestic violence... It determines how you define expert," said DeMarte.

Willmott asked, "Do you define yourself as an expert of domestic violence?"

"I would not call myself an expert in domestic violence specifically," said DeMarte.

Willmott asked, "Okay, so you are not an expert in domestic violence according to you?"

"I have a lot of experience with it but I wouldn’t put that term on because I think it’s an important term. Very specific," said DeMarte.

Willmott asked again, "So you would not characterize yourself as an expert in domestic violence?"

"Specifically, yes," said DeMarte.

HLN is live-blogging the Jodi Arias trial. Read about DeMarte's first day on the stand here, and read about Monday's proceedings here. Read below for minute-by-minute updates from the trial. (Best read from the bottom up):

5:35 p.m. ET: The judge says an issue has arisen and dismissed the jury for the day. Testimony will resume tomorrow at 12:30 p.m. ET.



5:32 p.m. ET: The judge is on the bench. Testimony should begin shortly. Arias has still not come back into the courtroom. The attorneys are now at a sidebar with the judge.

5:04 p.m. ET: Our producer in the courtroom says when Arias emerged from the closed-door meeting with the judge a few minutes ago, she grabbed her things and left the courtroom. Her defense team remained at their table.

4:54 p.m. ET: The bailiff has announced a recess until 5:30 p.m. ET.

4:40 p.m. ET: Arias' attorneys are in a meeting with the judge right now. Martinez is in the courtroom waiting.

2:57 p.m. ET: Judge Stephens has recessed court for lunch. The live blog will pick back up when testimony resumes at 4:20 p.m. ET.

2:55 p.m. ET: DeMarte said she is aware that PTSD is now used for battered women syndrome. Willmott wants to know if the six criteria for battered women syndrome is used anymore. DeMarte said she believes the six criteria include PTSD and are still used by certain psychologists. She also admitted she is not an expert in domestic violence.

2:52 p.m. ET: Willmott is asking DeMarte about the six criteria of the battered woman syndrome. Those six traits are as listed:

1.       Tendency to re-experience
2.       Tendency to avoid
3.       Tendency to have increased arousal
4.       Impaired social relationships
5.       Batterer controls movements
6.       Many medical problems and complaints

2:49 p.m. ET: DeMarte said she does not believe Arias falls under battered woman syndrome.

2:48 p.m. ET: DeMarte is explaining her knowledge of battered woman syndrome. Willmott wants to know what books and journals she has read about domestic violence. DeMarte said she does not know the titles of any off the top of her head.

2:45 p.m. ET: Willmott is now asking DeMarte about her experience working with domestic violence situations. DeMarte has accessed couples and whether domestic violence is present in their relationships.

2:42 p.m. ET: The TSI examine tests for symptoms of trauma. The website for the U.S Department of Veteran's Services describes the TSI like this:

The TSI is a global measure of trauma sequelae; items are not keyed to a specific traumatic event. It is a 100-item self-report measure of post-traumatic stress and other psychological sequelae of traumatic events. Respondents are asked to rate how often each symptom has happened to them in the past six months. Items are rated on a 4-point frequency scale ranging from 0 ("never") to 3 ("often").

The TSI has 10 clinical scales that assess a variety of symptom domains related to trauma: Anxious Arousal, Depression, Anger/Irritability, Intrusive Experiences, Defensive Avoidance, Dissociation, Sexual Concerns, Dysfunctional Sexual Behavior, Impaired Self-reference, and Tension Reduction Behavior. The TSI also includes three validity scales that may be useful in identifying response tendencies that would invalidate the test results. These scales assess Atypical Responses, Response Level (very low reporting), and InconsistentResponses.

The TSI contains items that correspond to DSM-IV symptom criteria (B, C, and D) for PTSD, but does not specifically assess these criteria. Raw scale scores are converted to T scores for the 10 clinical scales and the three validity scales based on a normative sample (with separate norms based on gender and age). A computer scoring program is available from the test publisher. The TSI is recommended for measuring a variety of trauma-related symptoms in clinical or research settings.

2:40 p.m. ET:

2:37 p.m. ET: DeMarte said Arias tested high on a scale for "self concept" that includes traits like esteem and identity issues.

2:34 p.m. ET:  Willmott is asking why DeMarte administered an old version of the TSI test to Arias. DeMarte said the new test had just been released, and it was still OK to use the old test. On one of the scales from the test, Arias scored high in anxiety.

2:30 p.m. ET: DeMarte is looking through her materials for Arias' test results. 

2:25 p.m. ET: The attorneys are at a sidebar with the judge.

2:23 p.m. ET: DeMarte is explaining her personality disorder diagnosis of Arias.

2:21 p.m. ET: The attorneys are still at a sidebar.

2:16 p.m. ET: The attorneys are at a sidebar with the judge.

2:14 p.m. ET: The judge is back on the bench, and testimony should resume shortly.

1:59 p.m. ET: Judge Stephens has recessed court for 10 minutes.

1:58 p.m. ET: DeMarte is explaining how the MCMI has questions built into it to make sure the test-taker is not lying.

1:55 p.m. ET:

1:52 p.m. ET: Willmott is now asking DeMarte about the other PTSD test (MCMI) Samuels gave to Arias.

1:50 p.m. ET: Willmott is asking DeMarte if PTSD can be caused by multiple traumatic events. DeMarte agreed with Willmott.

1:48 p.m. ET: DeMarte said she did not give Arias the PSD test to Arias during her own evaluation.

1:44 p.m. ET:

1:41 p.m. ET: Willmott is walking DeMarte through the answers Arias gave on the PDS test.

Willmott: It’s asking questions about different traumatic events the person may have experienced, right?

DeMarte: Correct.

Willmott: And if one of the events was not listed on the list on the test, it asks the person to list what traumatic event in addition they have, right?

DeMarte: Yes.

Willmott: You see that again, this is exhibit 550, you see that Jodi answered that question: repeated emotional and psychological abuse, right?

DeMarte: Correct.

Willmott: And you talk about on part 2, it asks for a description of the trauma that is bothering them, right?

DeMarte: Can you say that again?

Willmott: ON the PDS test, it is asking for a description of the trauma that is bothering them.

DeMarte: Can you show me what you’re referring to?

Willmott: Sure. Do you want to see the questions?

DeMarte: Whatever you’re referring to. I’d like to see.

Willmott: It’s what’s been marked as 626, part 2. Asking specifically about a trauma.

DeMarte: Yes.

Willmott: And then we see on the answer sheet, room to briefly describe the event, aware of that? Need me to show you? This is exhibit 550. We see on part 2, it says briefly describe the traumatic event. See that?

DeMarte: Yes.

Willmott: And you see assaulted/life-threatened?

DeMarte: Yes.

Willmott: And according to, according to what Jodi has said to you, Travis assaulted her, right?

DeMarte: Talking about the night of the killing?

Willmott: Yes.

DeMarte: Yes, according to what she told me.

Willmott: And according to what she told, she told you her life was threatened?

DeMarte: Yes.

1:39 p.m. ET: Arias is taking a lot of notes during DeMarte's testimony today.

1:35 p.m. ET: Willmott is pointing out to DeMarte that the PSD test has copyright protection.

1:33 p.m. ET: Willmott is asking DeMarte about the PTSD test (PSD) defense expert Richard Samuels gave to Arias.

1:32 p.m. ET:

1:30 p.m. ET: Willmott is asking DeMarte how she scored the psychological tests she gave Arias. DeMarte said she scored one test by hand.

1:28 p.m. ET: DeMarte said she gave Arias an IQ test to rule out other possible issues with Arias.

1:26 p.m. ET: Willmott is asking DeMarte why she gave Arias a test to make sure she could read. DeMarte said it wasa  brief test and she just wanted to make sure.

1:23 p.m. ET: Willmott is asking DeMarte why her resume doesn't seem to mention her work with trauma patients. DeMarte said she didn't mention all of her work experience on her resume, because her resume would be too long. She said she would rather spend her time with her patients instead of working on her resume.

1:21 p.m. ET:

1:19 p.m. ET: Willmott is asking about DeMarte's specialty providing therapy for trauma victims. DeMarte said she has been working with trauma patients since 2004.

1:17 p.m. ET: Willmott is grilling DeMarte about an ad for her practice that says she has eight years of practicing as a psychologist, but DeMarte has only had her license for three years. DeMarte said Willmott is incorrect. She has been practicing since 2004 with supervision.

1:14 p.m. ET: Willmott asked DeMarte how long she spent interviewing Arias. DeMarte said in total it was 12 to 12-and-a-half hours. Now Willmott is asking her how long she spent reviewing materials in Arias' case. DeMarte said she is unsure, and she would have to check her billing records to know how many hours she spent reviewing materials.

1:11 p.m. ET: The attorneys are at a sidebar with the judge.

1:08 p.m. ET: Willmott is asking DeMarte about rates for forensic work. DeMarte said she has six open forensic cases right now including one for a defense attorney. She charges $300 an hour for testimony, and $250 an hour for non-testimony work on forensic cases.

1:05 p.m. ET: DeMarte said she charges $125 an hour for therapy, and she accepts insurance. For some of her clients that come through insurance, she has to accept a lower rate, because of the contract with the insurance companies.

1:02 p.m. ET: Willmott is asking about DeMarte's ad for her practice in Psychology Today. DeMarte said she did not have to pay for the ad.

1:00 p.m. ET: DeMarte is explaining why she started her own practice, and how she started Arias' evaluation a year after she got her license.

12:58 p.m. ET: Willmott is asking DeMarte about the effect of domestic violence on children and how it allegedly affects boys and girls differently.

12:55 p.m. ET: DeMarte said she has worked with various types of sexual offenders. Now, Willmott is asking her about lectures she has given throughout her career.

12:53 p.m. ET: Defense attorney Jennifer Willmott is asking DeMarte about her work experience with sex offenders.

12:52 p.m. ET: DeMarte is taking the witness stand, and the jury is being seated.

12:49 p.m. ET: Our producer in the courtroom says the attorneys are meeting with Judge Sherry Stephens in her chambers.

The Jodi Arias defense team will try Wednesday to undo the damage done by clinical psychologist Janeen DeMarte's testimony.

Prosecutor Juan Martinez began his rebuttal case Tuesday with calling DeMarte to the stand. DeMarte attempted to rip apart the defense's case, saying its experts were biased and wrong.

Defense expert Richard Samuels, a forensic psychologist, testified that he diagnosed Arias with post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD), a condition he said caused her inability to remember all the details of killing her ex-boyfriend Travis Alexander in self-defense. DeMarte walked the jury through all the symptoms of PTSD and said Arias did not suffer from most of them. 

In her opinion, DeMarte believes Arias suffers from a "borderline personality disorder." She compared a person suffering from this type of disorder to an immature teenager with identity issues.

Watch: Is "personality disorder" the correct diagnosis for Arias? 

Defense attorney Jennifer Willmott will continue her cross-examination of DeMarte Wednesday. Willmott got the chance to ask DeMarte questions about her education and work experience at the end of court Tuesday.

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