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Juror to Arias: Why should we believe you now?

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Juror to Arias: Why should we believe you now?

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Jurors peppered Jodi Arias with more questions Thursday as they played the part of feisty prosecutor.

The questions they fired at Arias on Wednesday came in a wide variety, some of them obviously aimed to trip her up. Some went to the heart of her claim that she killed her ex-boyfriend Travis Alexander in self-defense after he attacked her. Other questions -- including one about her eyeglass prescription -- seemed to come out of nowhere, while still others focused on her knowledge of the Mormon religion.

Read more: Evidence photos from the Jodi Arias trial

Arias continued to hammer home the point that Alexander had an uncanny power over her. "It was difficult to stay away from him," she said in response to one juror's query. "It was difficult to break away from him, and when he would invite me over… It was very hard to say no. He was persuasive and he still had an effect on me that when I came over, when he was in a good mood, it made me feel good and I enjoyed being with him during those times."

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HLN is live-blogging the Jodi Arias trial proceedings. Get caught up on juror questions from WednesdayRead below for minute-by-minute updates from her testimony Thursday (best read from the bottom):

6:41 p.m. ET:

6:38 p.m. ET: Prosecutor Martinez has wrapped up his questioning of Arias for the day. Judge Stephens has recessed court until Wednesday, March 13. Martinez will continue to ask Arias questions next week.

Our producer in the courtroom says jurors appear to have submitted new questions, but it is not clear whether the judge will read them to Arias.

6:37 p.m. ET:

6:36 p.m. ET: Arias is explaining how she allegedly cut her finger at a restaurant she was working at shortly before Alexander died. Martinez wants to know if Arias ever told her manager that she was injured on the job.

Martinez asked, "You didn’t tell the manager about the way this occurred even though it occurred on the job, right?

"I don’t recall if it was discussed in detail or not," said Arias.

Martinez asked, "And you’re the same person that previously testified today that you have a very good memory for details right?"

"Yes," said Arias.

Martinez asked, "Except for that right. You don’t remember that, right?"

"I didn’t say it was perfect. I said it was good," said Arias.

Martinez asked, "I’m not saying you said it was perfect. You yourself admitted that you have a good memory for details."

"I don’t even know that I used details. I just said I think I have a good memory," said Arias.

6:32 p.m. ET: Arias' bank account shows three transactions from a Tesoro gas station in Salt Lake City. Martinez did some math to show the jury that the transaction for 19.65 would have been for just a little more than 5 gallons of gas. On June 3, Arias said she bought a 5 gallon gas can from a Wal-Mart in Salinas, but took it back. Martinez said that the Wal-Mart has no record of anyone returning a gas can on that day.

Martinez asked, "How much was the price per gallon that you bought that day?"

Arias said, "$3.859"

Martinez said, "If you take this amount per gallon, $3.859, and you divide it into this amount of $19.65 do you know how much, what that division would indicate? Would it surprise you that it would indicate that it’s 5.09?"

6:25 p.m. ET: Martinez showed the jury how her bank account records show three transactions from a gas station in Salt Lake City.

6:21 p.m. ET: Nurmi is objecting to Arias' bank accounts, and they are now at a sidebar with judge Stephens.

6:19 p.m. ET: Martinez is now showing the jury Arias' bank account statements from June 2008.

6:15 p.m. ET: Arias said earlier in the trial that she bought a third gas can in Salinas, California for her road trip, but took it back the same day. Martinez asked if she returned it then why did she have three gas cans on June 6, 2008. Martinez is now showing the jury receipts from a gas station in Salt Lake City.

6:13 p.m. ET: The attorneys are at a sidebar with judge Stephens.

6:12 p.m. ET: Martinez is asking Arias about the gas cans she took on her road trip to visit Alexander in June 2008. Arias said she can't remember filling up the car or the gas cans first. Martinez pointed out she was unsure earlier in the trial, but she just told the jurors that she likely filled up the car first then the gas cans. Arias is trying to say she is unsure, but she says according the receipts and logic she filled the car first.

Martinez said, "So isn’t it true that you do remember the sequence of events involving the filling up the car with gas in Pasadena?

The only part I remember, as far as sequence, is I put the gas in the gas cans and then so I didn’t leave the hose on the floor, or the ground, the concrete, I hung it up. That ends the transaction. That’s all I know," said Arias. "I really don’t know the exact sequence. I wouldn’t bet all my money on what it was. I can only go by receipts and times to help me remember."

6:06 p.m. ET: Our producer in the courtroom says jurors have submitted more questions for Arias. It is not clear whether judge Stephens will have Arias answer them.

6:04 p.m. ET: Martinez asked, "When did you tell the psychologist about this issue involving the pedophilia?"

"I think it was July 2009, I believe. I’m not sure of the month, but it was 2009," said Arias.

6:03 p.m. ET: Arias said she told McCartney in April in 2008 about Alexander's sexual attraction to children.

6:02 p.m. ET: Arias said she never wanted to bring up Alexander's alleged pedophile tendencies.

5:59 p.m. ET: Martinez is pointing out that Arias first mentioned that Alexander allegedly masturbated to an image of a young boy years after his death.

5:55 p.m. ET: Martinez asked Arias if she was going to tell the truth about the pedophile claim, and who she told that Alexander was attracted to children. Arias said yes she was telling the truth.

5:53 p.m. ET: Martinez asked Arias if Matt McCartney would lie for her. Arias said no he would not. Martinez tried to bring in a statement from McCartney, but the defense objected. The attorneys are now at a sidebar. McCartney may testify that Arias did tell him about Alexander's alleged sexual attraction to children.

5:52 p.m. ET: Martinez asked Arias if she remembers taking an oath she would not lie before taking the witness stand. She said yes she does.

5:51 p.m. ET: Nurmi has wrapped his questioning. Prosecutor Martinez is examining Arias now.

5:49 p.m. ET: Nurmi is walking Arias through all the lies she has told since Alexander's death, and asks her why should anyone believe you now.

Arias said she wanted to protect Alexander's reputation, and she didn't want to be caught.

5:45 p.m. ET: Arias is explaining how she hid her shaking from everyone when prosecutor Martinez was questioning her.

5:43 p.m. ET: Arias said she thought she was going to die on June 4, 2008, because Alexander almost killed her before when he choked her.

5:42 p.m. ET: Nurmi is now moving on to what happened to the knife that she used to stab Alexander. Arias said she does not remember what happened to the knife.

5:41 p.m. ET: Arias is explaining where the camera landed when she dropped it right before Alexander attacked. She said the camera landed near his bathtub.

5:37 p.m. ET: Nurmi is asking Arias if Alexander's gun was in a holster on June 4, 2008. Arias said she does not remember. Prosecutor Martinez objected and said she had testified the gun was in a holster.

Nurmi also asked her about her past experiences with guns.

"I had never had any formal training but Daryl and I used to go camping…and he brought his gun. And as a safety precaution, he showed me where the safety was, I think it’s called magazine, where all the bullets are, and how to cock it and that kind of thing. I know there are different kinds of guns, but that’s kind of the extend of the familiarity that I had…I had a general familiarity…I know that each gun type is a little different, so I couldn’t tell you too much about it, much beyond point and shoot kind of thing," said Arias.

5:36 p.m. ET:

Nurmi asked, "The gun you discovered Mr. Alexander owning, was it your understanding that his ownership of said gun was to be kept secret?

"Yes," replied Arias.

5:35 p.m. ET: Arias said she knew deleted photos stayed on memory cards, but a normal person couldn't recover it.

Nurmi asked, "If an image was deleted off a camera, were you of the belief that it simply went away for good?"

"No, as a digital photographer, my understanding is that the image stays on the card but it’s not something that the average person can recover. You can't get it back, unless you have a lot of money to get it back," said Arias.

5:34 p.m. ET: Nurmi is asking Arias about how she deleted photos from Alexander's camera after killing him on June 4, 2008. Arias said she was an aspiring photographer so she knew how to delete the photos.

5:25 p.m. ET: The attorneys are at a sidebar with with judge.

5:24 p.m. ET: Judge Stephens is back on the bench, and is reviewing a document.

5:01 p.m. ET: Judge Stephens has recessed court, and the attorneys are still discussing something with her at the bench.

4:56 p.m. ET: The attorneys are at a sidebar.

4:54 p.m. ET: Nurmi asked Arias if she could have sex with Alexander when he attacked her on June 4, 2008. Arias said no not in the heat of that moment.

4:52 p.m. ET: Nurmi is asking Arias how sex helped calm Alexander when he was upset. Arias said sex usually marked the end of an argument.

4:50 p.m. ET: Arias is describing how her love for Alexander changed through their relationship.

4:47 p.m. ET: Arias she still loves Alexander in some ways even now.

“I knew I wasn’t going to marry him and I can’t say that I had a desire to marry the Travis that I knew as Travis to be at that point,” said Arias.

4:44 p.m. ET: Arias said she wasn't jealous of Hall, but she had "bittersweet" feelings about it. She said she still had feelings for Alexander, but she wanted him to be happy.

“I didn’t feel jealous… but when he began to talk about her -- I can’t say it was jealousy. It was kind of bittersweet. Because I knew that I wasn’t going to marry him but I still had feelings for him. I knew I needed to move on and I knew our relationship was unhealthy,” said Arias.

“Were you jealous, in any way, that he was taking Ms. Hall to Cancun?” asked Nurmi.

“I didn’t know he was taking Mimi Hall until after June 4,” said Arias.

4:42 p.m. ET: Nurmi asked why Arias was willing to have sex with Alexander after she knew he was interested in Hall. Arias said she was conflicted, because it wasn't helping each other spiritually.

“At first he didn’t tell me a lot. He just showed me pictures of her. I understood that he believed that he was receiving signs from God that she was to be his wife,” said Arias.

4:39 p.m. ET: Arias said she engaged in sexual behavior after he started dating Mimi Hall, and he was taking her to Cancun in June 2008. Alexander was receiving signs from god that Hall was supposed to be his wife, according to Arias.

4:38 p.m. ET: Nurmi is asking about Alexander's desire of having a threesome with another girl. Arias said she entertained the idea, but is not sure if she would have gone along with it.

“You also mentioned that Travis had an interest in having a threesome during your relationship, is that correct?” asked Nurmi.

“Yes,” said Arias.

“And that involved another woman, correct?”

“Yes,” said Arias.

“And you told us that that was something that you were, I believe your words were, ‘Willing to go along with,’” asked Nurmi.

“I’m not sure if it had gone up to the moment if I would have gone along with it or not but I entertained the idea with him,” said Arias.

4:37 p.m. ET: Arias said after June 4, 2008, she deleted multiple phone sex recordings, because she wanted to keep them secret.

4:33 p.m. ET: Nurmi is now asking Arias about why she took gas cans with her on road trips. Arias said she took them with her when she was driving in the desert.

Nurmi asked, “Was taking gas cans on a trip -- and your answer was something to the affect that that was common practice for you. Was that correct?”

“Only after we moved to the desert and realized the extreme conditions of the desert in the summer. I didn’t take them on all the trips. Just within desert areas. For example if I was going to Portland I wouldn’t take gas cans,” said Arias.

4:32 p.m. ET:

4:31 p.m. ET:

“So at age 27, you weren’t seeking to avoid turning 30, you were seeking to be married and start a family before that age? Is that accurate?” asked Nurmi.

“Yes, it’s 31. But yes, that’s accurate,” said Arias.

4:30 p.m. ET: Nurmi asked Arias if Alexander knew she was loyal. Arias replied, "Yes."

4:29 p.m. ET:

Nurmi asked,“In this period of time, what was Mr. Alexander to you?”

“He was my ex-boyfriend. He was kind of like a best friend in a way because we were still very close. The best way to put it is that it was complicated. But we were not in a committed relationship,” said Arias.

4:28 p.m. ET: In May 2008, Arias was having sexual relations with Alexander, but she considered herself single.

4:25 p.m. ET: Arias said Mormons are expected to be married by 30 or 31. In 2007, Arias was 27 and she said she was seeking a husband. Nurmi is asking Arias about a Mormon man she met online after breaking up with Alexander.

4:21 p.m. ET: After breaking up with Alexander, Arias said she still identified herself as a Mormon.

4:19 p.m. ET:

4:17 p.m. ET:

“It was the night we had an argument in his bedroom. It was the night he wouldn’t let me leave. I tried to get up and leave and he stopped me and pushed me and I fell down. I fell on my knees. And he basically demanded that I listen to what he was saying. And a short time later I got up to leave again and he did the same thing. The third time I got up he let me leave,” said Arias.

“His harsh words at that time. It was still relatively fresh and it kept playing like a recording in my mind over and over. They were haunting me in that regard,” said Arias.

4:15 p.m. ET: Nurmi is showing the jury a journal entry, that Arias wrote after the pushing incident.

4:13 p.m. ET: Arias is explaining an incident when Alexander pushed her down, and wouldn't let her leave his house.

4:11 p.m. ET:

“You had been contemplating suicide since August 26, 2007?” asked Nurmi.

Yes,” said Arias.

“You had been contemplating suicide from August 26, 2007 until your arrest?” he asked.

“No, there was a break,” said Arias.

“And what was the break?” said Nurmi.

“After I moved out of Arizona I didn’t feel suicidal as much until after Travis passed away,” said Arias.

4:09 p.m. ET: Nurmi asked Arias to review one of her journal entries.

4:08 p.m. ET:

4:07 p.m. ET: Arias seemed to become upset as she reviewed the letters. Arias confirmed they were her suicide letters, and one letter had her request for her tombstone.

 

4:02 p.m. ET: Nurmi is having Arias review what could be suicide letters she sent her grandmother.

4:01 p.m. ET: Alexander allegedly began to masturbate during this phone conversation the day after they broke up. She said she was kind of flattered by his sexual attention.

4:00 p.m. ET: Arias said she had a sexual conversation with Alexander a day after she broke up with him.

3:59 p.m. ET: Nurmi has moved on to Arias' breakup with Alexander on June 29, 2007. Arias said she didn't break off communication with Alexander, because she still loved him. The attorneys are now at a sidebar with judge Stephens.

3:57 p.m. ET:

3:54 p.m. ET: Arias said she still had financial ties to Brewer when she began dating Alexander.

3:52 p.m. ET: Her relationship with Brewer ended with a civil conversation at the kitchen table.

3:51 p.m. ET: Arias said she broke up with Brewer before she ever engaged in any sexual activity with Alexander.

3:49 p.m. ET: Defense attorney Nurmi is picking up where he left off with asking Arias about her previous relationships. Arias is talking about her breakup with Darryl Brewer.

3:47 p.m. ET: Arias is taking the stand. Testimony should resume shortly.

3:44 p.m. ET: As attorneys discuss an issue with the judge, Arias is reading something and appears to be crying. She keeps grabbing tissues.

3:41 p.m. ET:

3:36 p.m. ET: The attorneys are discussing something with judge Stephens. Testimony should pick back up any moment.

1:59 p.m. ET: Judge Stephens has recessed court for lunch. The live blog will pick back up at 3:30 p.m. ET when testimony resumes.

1:58 p.m. ET: Nurmi is walking Arias through how all of her previous relationships started and how they ended.

1:54 p.m. ET: Arias is talking about how she saved money to visit her boyfriend's family in Costa Rica. It was an exchange program with a host family.

1:52 p.m. ET: Nurmi has now moved on to Arias' love interest from Costa Rica.

1:50 p.m. ET: Arias is now explaining how she broke up with her high school boyfriend, and how they got back together a few times.

1:49 p.m. ET: Nurmi asked, “After Travis taught you these things, what was your understanding of what the Law of Chastity prohibited?”

“The Law of Chastity prohibited vaginal intercourse between a man and a woman. And that it should be saved for marriage. That was the black and white of the issue on that,” said Arias.

1:48 p.m. ET: The jury is done asking questions. Defense attorney Kirk Nurmi is now asking Arias follow-up questions. Nurmi is asking Arias about her understanding of the Mormon Law of Chastity. Arias said Alexander told her that vaginal sex was the only prohibited behavior under the law.

1:46 p.m ET: Juror question: Why should we believe you now?

“Lying isn’t typically something I just do. I’m not going to say that I never told a lie in my life before this incident. But the lies that I’ve told in this case can be tied directly back to either protecting Travis’ reputation or my involvement in his death in any way. Because I was very ashamed of the death and also because I wanted to edify Travis in a good way. I didn’t want to de-edify him or say hateful things about him especially now that he had passed away. And I also didn’t want that to be construed as motive. For example, if he was violent with me,” said Arias.

1:44 p.m. ET:

Juror question: “How can you say you don’t have memory issues when you can’t remember how you stabbed him so many times and slashed his throat?” “I think that I have a good memory and June 4 is an anomaly for me. Like I said yesterday, it’s in a class of it’s own and I can’t explain what kind of state of mind I was in. Most of the day was an entire blank and little pieces have come back but not very many,” said Arias.

1:45 p.m. ET:

 

1:43 p.m. ET:

1:39 p.m. ET: Juror question: Did prosecutor Martinez make you shake when he was questioning you?

Arias said she did shake, and it was most intense during his first day of cross-exam

1:38 p.m. ET: Juror question: You said everything happened so fast you didn't have time to think, then how did you think about grabbing the gun?

Arias said what she should have said was that she didn't have time to think of repercussions. She just reacted.

1:36 p.m. ET: Juror question: Are you still ashamed about Alexander's death?

Arias said yes she is still ashamed.

1:35 p.m. ET: Arias is taking the stand for new jury questions.

1:27 p.m. ET: The judge has ordered the jury out of the courtroom for a five-minute break. Arias is now discussing matters with her attorneys.

1:25 p.m. ET: The attorneys are still at a sidebar discussing new jury questions with the judge.

1:16 p.m. ET: The attorneys are still reviewing the new questions from the jury. It is unclear how long this could take.

1:14 p.m. ET: Judge Stephens has asked the attorneys to approach her bench so they can review new questions from the jury.

1:13 p.m. ET:

1:12 p.m. ET: Juror question: Did Alexander own a straight razor?

Arias said she is not sure, and she thinks he used a BIC razor.

1:11 p.m. ET:

 

 

1:10 p.m. ET:

1:09 p.m. ET: Juror question: Did you enjoy having sex with Alexander?

"Yes, very much," said Arias.

1:08 p.m. ET: Juror question: "After you snatched the gun off the shelf, did you do anything to the gun, such as cock it, flip off the safety, manipulate a slide or anything prior to it going off?"

"I don’t even think I would know how to do that, so the answer is I don’t know, probably not. I just grabbed it and pointed it is what I remember," said Arias.

1:06 p.m. ET: Juror question: How did Alexander's anger escalate after you shot him?

Arias said he was grabbing at her and her clothes, and he threatened her life.

Juror question: Did he chase you after you shot him?

Arias said she can't say, because she doesn't remember.

1:05 p.m. ET: Juror question: "If you were scared of what Travis was capable of doing, why would you ever let him tie you up?"

"When that occurred, he was in a very good mood and he wasn’t displaying any signs of agitation, and that was the Travis that I liked and was not afraid of. When he did begin to get angry, my warning bells started to go off and I would begin to get cautious, for lack of a better term, but he hadn’t displayed any of that. We just woke up, we were getting along…and again, they were loose enough to wiggle out of so I wasn’t stuck there at his mercy, so to speak," said Arias.

1:04 p.m. ET: Juror question: Have you had firearm training?

Arias said, No she has never fired a gun before June 4, 2008.

Juror question: If Alexander lunged at you why didn't you just move out of the way?

Arias said she did not have time to think.

1:01 p.m. ET: Juror question: "During these altercations, why didn’t you just scream in hopes that someone would hear you and help you?"

"I did scream. I wasn’t thinking of someone helping me. For example, I screamed when he threw me on the floor and started kicking me. I wasn’t able to scream when he had his hands around my wind pipes. And I’m sure I was screaming on June 4," said Arias.

1:00 p.m. ET:

12:59 p.m. ET: Juror question: Is there anyone else who knows about your memory issues?

"I don’t think I have memory issues," said Arias.

12:58 p.m. ET: Juror question: What are some other reasons you introduce KY personal lubricant into the relationship besides pain?

Arias said they used it because it also facilitated their activities.

12:56 p.m. ET: Juror question: Do you always have foggy memory if someone challenges you?

Arias said it has gotten better, but she has had the problem since the Fall of 2007.

12:54 p.m. ET:

12:51 p.m. ET: Juror question: Did Alexander's roommates ever hear your fights with him?

Arias said she was not sure if they heard them fighting.

12:49 p.m. ET: Juror question: How do you remember so much from the days you had memory lapses?

Arias said the memory lapses only occurred when he got angry.

12:48 p.m. ET:

Juror Question: Several times while testifying about the abuse by Travis, you have made comments like, ‘As I understand it now’ and ‘I’ve come to realize.’ How has this realization come about?

"Because about five years have passed, the further away I get from the situation, the more perspective I have. Whereas before I constantly made excuses for myself. Now I understand that the things that occurred were not OK. And forgiving him is different than continually putting up with it," said Arias.

12:46 p.m. ET: The judge is on the bench, and Arias is on the witness stand.

12:33 p.m. ET: Testimony should begin in a few moments.

 

Arias is back on the stand Thursday to answer more questions directly from the jury. HLN producers in the courtroom Wednesday say jurors wrote down even more questions for Arias as she answered their questions yesterday.

Watch: Are jurors mocking Arias? (VIDEO)

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